Sunday, July 09, 2006

DANGER - school counsellors, psychologists and psychiatristS

The, school counsellors, two psychologists and one psychiatrist, all of whom opposed my contact on the grounds that my ex would not be able to cope, are typical of whats available to lawyers to exclude fathers.

They certainly did a number on me. Of course where they really get you is with letting you squirm as you realise how powerless you are to stop them.
Their comments in court can be demonstrably in conflict with their earlier statement, making it completely apparent that they take a dim view of your criticisms of their treatment of your child (this is where representing your self can be a huge disadvantage).

I had one guy, Melbourne's Vincent Papalao - who promotes himself as being an advocate of shared presenting, declare that "there was something toxic" in the relationship between myself and my daughter. This after earlier reporting on the the worm bond we had. His word is God. Cross him, as I did by trying to stop him carrying out a fourth Family Welfare report on my daughter and us, and you're a gonna.(he seemed especially miffed that I'd got the Victorian psychology Board to intervene). Finally he agreed not to harass my daughter further - but only after she broke down in despair in his office.

In an earlier report he had suggested that the was two possible solutions - more contact on the basis that it's denial was distressing my daughter or ii) no contact while my daughter was subjected to therapy to address her anger (she was 6 at the time). Just how popular that sort of pronouncement makes him with the lawyers, I wonder. It stalls the case and ensures exclusion continues while more reports are done.

He also used a strange parody to suggest I was blaming others when it was really me that was at fault.He declared that when you point your finger there is two fingers pointing back at yourself. !, I was staggering to see the Judges approving nods as she considered the notion, while Justice Carter looked at her fingers. It was just one more scene that could have been lifted from Alice in Wonderland ("Off with his head").

I was just about to say that most people here know how these guys operate . I realised that this is largely untrue . You don't find out till after you've or someone your know has been through it. Its like lambs to the slaughter, unless you can muster the support of expert witnesses that are prepare to protect your child and you from what is, essentially your x's efforts to exclude you.

I often wonder about the guys that its happening to. I regret that we have been so powerless to warn them. I wish I was warned. Once you case centres on the psychological evaluation of your child and their contact with you, you can kiss your "substantial or meaningful" contact wit them goodbye.

The other psychologists a South African Mr Steven Osrin - declared that my X would "shut down emotionally" if my daughter was allowed to see me.

The school counsellor (I forget her name she know works for Ballarat Grammar) ) but was extraordinarily hostile. A lot of school have these now. It's moved from the cane to being sent to the school counsellor. Some how I think I'd prefer the cane.

The psychiatrist Dr. Entwisle suggested that I didn't listen to anybody else, when I argued that his assessment of me were biased and contradictory to a Professor of psychiatry Prof. Brendan Holwill. Needless to say he didn't like it when I refused to go back to him.

I've posted this post through F4J anonymously to avoid potential for further intimidation from these practitioners, After all no doubt they could be wheeled out again, anytime. But I guess arguing for any of them to be disqualification should succeed now that they have done the deed (after final hearing).

I doubt that they want to take me on in court for deformation because what I am saying is demonstrably true, and I think its my right to warn people of the danger these men represent to children. Besides why would they bother - their power is in the control of your access to your child. There always new ones coming in the door.

I look forward to when fathers can find out about these guys so they can defend their children and them selves. Knowing this in advance would at least make people realise how the respect they show these guys can be the determining factor.

Kind regards
Simon

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  3. I know a Father who has employed Papaleo of Melbourne to slander a court appointed psychologist's report in another State. Papaleo obeys his paid request making several recommendations (these recommendations are in contrast to at least 4 other medical professionals who have actually been involved in the case and spoken to the family). Papaleo made his recommendation purely on the basis of the Father's side of the story without meeting or speaking to the mother or the children or even considering nearly 2years of medical files! Upon reading some of Papaleo's journals, his slamming of the psychologist's report also contradicts his own recommendations made in journals!
    Interesting how you can buy a report on a report!

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    1. 100% there as I know the woman your talking of and eventually she won that case and Vincent was basically told never to attend nsw federal court whilst this judge was around the woman and her barrister karen conte mills handled the case with careful attention and the woman was sure Vincent was dirty so she dug so deep and found what she had to find to raise the suspicion on Vincent and now I still knke the woman well she happens to have a natural ability to find this kind of information to help others her name I can't disclose but from that case has opened up a class action against him

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  4. I Know of a case in NSW where one parent the nurturer resides with the child in NSW and the other parent in Victoria vincent papaleo was appointed by suggestion of a legal rep to the judge when the judge had told the parties that it would be costly and the waiting list for a family report was of an extensive wait for a family report to be conducted the legal rep who suggested this was told by the parent from Victoria that the nurturer had told the child who told the other parent that the nurturer was wanting to drag the case out until the child is of age to have a say which was a preposterous allegation by the parent who lives in Victoria who has always known of the child but due to the nurturer who after more than half the child's life had finally convinced the other parent to have involvement with the child the parent wanted to take the child from the nurturer applying for soul custody. the parent made allegations of the up most to suggest that the nurturer who has been there for the child throughout the child's life that to the extreme using the fabricated evidence and made allegations of serious natured crimes that are of the desperate and vindictive attempts to have the child removed from the nurturer who has raised the child. the parent who resides in Victoria making allegations uses tactics that have impacted psychological harm to the child the nurturer and family members of the child and nurturer. upon receiving vincent papaleo's report he had taken biase to the parent who resides in Victoria and has also reported that the nurturer was also blaming others and suggested that it was all the nurturers fault and that the childs fear of the other parent who is making all the allegations after the child had told vincent why that parent is feared telling vincent of genuine issues the child has of that parent vincent had yet blamed the nurturer making suggestions of that the child is so emotionally involved with the nurturer the childs real fears was of the nurturer and that the bond between the nurturer and child was that to suggest the nurturer had instilled fear into the child of the other parent. the parent who has made all the extreme allegations throughout affidavits and vincents report was so contradictory that its obviousness in both the affidavits and of vincents report that they both clearly stand out and the nurturer victimized as well as the child the report suggested that the child would be better off in the care of the parent whom lives in victoria and to be removed from the nurturer suggesting the nurturer is incapable of careing for the child and protecting the child's best interests where the other parent is more financially suitable among other biased comments suggesting when interviewing the nurturer that he felt sorrow for the nurturer yet still suggested the nurturer blames others
    this case provides another fine example of vincent papaleo's conspiring reports to show biasing and dishonesty in his so called experts report prior to the trial...!!!!!!!

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  5. Papeleo (and several others who manufacture such reports) should be held to account for unprofessional conduct.
    From the website below.
    ■Ethical principles on medico-legal reports (ethical guideline 1, 2005)
    ■Conducting independent medical examinations and preparing reports (practice guideline 9, 2003)
    ■Independent medical examination and report preparation (ethical guideline 9, 2003)
    ■Certification of opinion according to non-clinical criteria (practice guideline 8, 2002)
    ■Family court proceedings (practice guideline 3, 1990)
    https://www.ranzcp.org/Publications/Statements-Guidelines.aspx

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  6. Couldn't agree more about Tim Entwisle and others mentioned. They go against the very thing they say in their published work, and their word is taken as fact by the courts.

    Everyone out there, please challenge these people - and the notion of being held to account for unprofessional conduct is a great start.

    People need to be aware that these 'so called experts' are destroying lives with their lies. It is they that should be on trial

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  7. It would appear that these experts can not beleive that their are (partners, parents) out there that could be pyschologicallu unwell, liars and abusive. These experts turn a blind eye to the facts, excuse domestic violence, and say the best thing for all is to forget about the facts and give the abusive parents more rights than the ones that love their children, and have done everything they can to raise them well.

    I wonder if their own children were victims of such biased and incompetent experts and damning reports if they too would accept it.

    People tell all that is will not be tolerated.

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  9. I have a toxic, Narcissistic father of my 2 children who has all of our belongings locked in his rental unit, has conspired with his parents to put a caveat on our home by forging a loan document, and who has chosen to not see his children since Christmas day. In April, perhaps after advice from his lawyer that he was not looking too good in the eyes of the court, he has suddenly started playing 'father of the year' by turning up at tennis on Saturday morning. He wonders why the kids don't "like" him and is now trying to paint me - the mother who has been with them 24/7 since he left 10 mths ago as "poising them".

    I understand there are Narcissitic, Borderline etc women do the wrong thing and alienate good fathers from their children .... but there are psychopathic, narcissistic men like mine out there to destroy their wife and children's happiness for the rest of their lives.

    I have been referred to Papaleo and I PRAY he "slanders" my ex because my ex deserves it. I hope Papaelo WILL protect my children from the emotional abuse my ex husband has inflicted on me and them for years while he locked them in dark rooms and backyards as punishment.

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  10. A close family member has just had dealings with all of the above mentioned professionals. All I can say is I totally agree with all of the above comments. How true. It's sad that so many of us have been through this horrible injustice and that it continues. I thought we were the only ones. I can't believe that these professionals get it so wrong and can't see the true perpetrator and liar and they call themselves psychologists. I also question whether they have forgotten the most important issue at hand and that is the well being of the children. As their actions seem to place the livelihood of the children in further jeopardy.

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  11. Vincent Papaleo is responsible for devastating outcomes for my two beautiful sons. When my son spoke out in front of his father about the abuse he endured at his father's hands, Papaleo decided that the best way to fix it was to give my ex husband more alone care with his young sons. Then when that fell apart and my then eleven year old had his first attempt at suicide, Papaleo eventually submitted his final findings to family court which were that I had damaged my children so much with my lies about the father that I had made it impossible for him to have a relationship with his children. Seven years later my children have continued to maintain a relationship with their father despite my being given sole custody (never what I asked for - just for them to be safe on visitations with their dad), however my sons are very, very damaged... one had multiple suicide attempts before becoming a drug addict at 14... when I asked Vincent to please explain a couple of years after court was finalised he simply said that it was not his fault and I should get my son some counselling... WTF???... best clinical psychologist in Australia my ass!

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  12. I am desperate to speak to more people like the last post as my family has also been affected by this so called expert- Vincent Papaleo!!!! His recommendations to the court has put another young child at risk and we as a family are struggling to keep this child safe. Watching this child self destruct is heartbreaking and as a family we all had confidence that the courts would keep this child protected. This man is meant to protect children from harm but our experience has been the extreme opposite. I don't think it matters who the parent is, either mother or father the abuser appears to have all the rights and power. Please keep this discussion going and expose this man for who he really is. We need to stand up and have a strong voice to stop people like this in such powerful positions. Its about time the Victorian Family Court review this so called expert, it really makes you question if corruption plays a huge part in the Victorian legal profession. I also find the costs involved to use this man is alarming, it really make you question if he really cares about vulnerable parents and their at risk children.

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  13. There is only one thing I recommend having been through this barbaric process-do not go through it. Leave and go away as far as you can rather than enter this nightmare where so called professionals who are insensitive to the subtleties of inappropriate thought processes and behaviours get to rule your life. There is a strong political agenda here and court appointed psychologists are a law unto themselves who maintain an agenda regardless of your personal situation. These people do enormous damage. Lambs to the slaughter is an understatement and once you are in the system you are trapped. Beware. Beware.

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  14. MR PAPALAO HAHAHA JUDGE TOLD YOU AFTER A QUESTION THROWN AT U BY THE SMALL STICKY NOTE HANDED TO A BARRISTER BY THE NSW NURTURER TO PROMPT A QUESTION TO BE HEARD OF YOUR SO CALLED PROFESSIONAL REPORT WAS THE TRUTH THAT WILL HAS STOPPED NSW FAMILY LAW JUDGES RELYING ON YOU TO CLOUD AND SWAY MISS GUIDING TO MAKE YOUR SELF A MILLIONAIRE NSW FAMILY LAW WILL NOT SEND THE FAMILIES TO VICTORIA FOR YOUR HIGHLY PAID SERVICES FROM THE VERY LYING ABUSER OF A PARENT EVER BEING USED TO PASS AND ENDORSEMENT OF YOUR SO CALLED P.A.S TRYING TO STRIKE A NAME WORTH BILLIONS FOR A DISCOVERY OF A WORLD WIDE BREAKTHROUGH IN LINK TO MENTALLY ILL WOMEN PROTECTING THE CHILDREN LMAO BUSTED
    THE BARRISTER READ THE QUESTION OF TEST ASKING MR PAP DID THE MOTHER MENTION HER STRONG CULTURAL VALUES AND IMPORTANCE OF THAT CULTURE?
    AND THEN THERE WAS YOUR ANSWER TO SEAL YOUR FATE
    MR PAP U REPLIED NO SHE DID NOT.!!
    SERIOUSLY LOL WHIST U TOOK AN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH SO HELP U GOD TO THE COURT IN THAT U WAS ASKED DO U HAVE A COPY OF THE REPORT HANDY IN FRONT OF YOU? U REPLIED YES I DO UR HONOR.!
    THE BARRISTER THEN ASKED WELL MR PAP U SAY SHE DID NOT MENTION THIS YET U ALSO TOLD THE MAGISTRATE AND COURT U HAVE A COPY OF REPORT IN FRONT OF U? WELL PLEASE TURN TO PAGE ... PARAGRAPH... OF UR REPORT AND READ OUT TO THE COURT THIS PARAGRAPH..!!
    OH SWEET KARMA TO EARS BEFORE HE HAD THE CHANCE TO READ IT OUT THE JUDGE HAD ALREADY READ IT AND READ IT OUT TO THE COURT TELLING YOU MR PAP THAT YOUR SERVICES TO THE COURT ROOM ARE NO LONGER NEEDED AND HUNG UP THE PHONE LINK WITH DISGUST
    SO THERE U HAVE IT THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE SHARED THE HORROR OF NR PAPS FABRICATION AND P.A.S INDICATING UR BLAMING OTHERS AND IN REPEATEDLY USING YOUR FALSE REPORTS OF UNDER THE TABLE PAYMENTS HAS PAID OFF IN KARMA FOR ALL YOU HAVE NOW IS A SHIT LOAD OF TEMPLATES FILLING IN THE PARTIES NAMES THAT ARE NOW NOT WORTH THE PAPER PRINTED ON
    EXPOSED BY THE TEARS AND SUFFERING OF WOMEN U LABEL MENTALLY ILL
    IF ANY OF YOU NEED HELP EXPOSING HIS BULL SHIT HELP IS HERE ASK THE COURT TO DISMISS HIS REPORT ON SUSPICION THAT THERE IS AND HAS BEEN PROVEN IN A TRIAL THAT BOTH U AND THE ABUSE OF THE FATHERS PAYING THERE WAY AROUND TO PERJURY and contempt funny how non of them are punished for this as family law Australia has exempt evidence laws applying jail sentences for each lie and exempt all the laws to then contradict the common laws
    HMM PANDORA'S BOX HAS JUST DELIVERED THE VERY AVENUE THATS OPEN FOR MORE

    I AM THAT PROTECTIVE MUM AND WON THE BATTLE IF NEED HELP CONTACT ME GAIA MELI MILLY GERREY FACEBOOK MELSMINI76 @GMAIL.COM


    HERES SOME MORE TOPICS TO PLONDER




    PAPS U WROTE THE REPORT FOR FAVOURING THE VICTORIAN PARENT AND NSW PARENT THE NURTURER USED COLLECTED INFORMATION PRINT OUTS OF THOSE BLOGS SUCH AS THESE SHE DIRECTED IT ALL AND MADE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE CONSPIRACY AND GREED TO THE COURTS TAKING BIAS THE NSW PARENT AFTER SHE WAS FORCED TO RELIVE HER PAST OF TERROR AND TORTUROUS PAST OF BOTH HER CHILDREN AND HER PREVIOUS BATTLE WHICH SHE HAD BEEN THROUGH ESCAPED THE MONSTER WHO CLAIMED TO BE THE CHILDS FATHER KNOWING THE BIOLOGICAL VICTORIAN MAN OF RECENT YEAR 2ND BATTLE FOR THE SAME CHILD funny how both cases exactly same copied tactics accusations
    We are so lol u may have had a win 1st time funny how history can come back to haunt us but fools u are did u think that it would go un noticed copy cats come unstuck costing u money and fame dumb arses
    Always set to copy and paste lazy arses
    With a team of women against u and u want to insult them label them
    Look out cause oneday women may just take over ur corrupted world of rulers ministers unions and unite for a peaceful planet where u men do not see us as equal as u still think ur the superior sex of the two pft

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  15. I'm onto the puzzle and wish to fight the laws to change someone has to speak up stand up for one set of laws across Australia its a joke
    Comm law
    Federal law
    State laws 5 of them
    Family laws
    Criminal laws
    Human rights laws
    And they all contradictory to one another

    Stand up for one set laws
    Laws of the land

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  16. Not all men are on high horses wearing high heels

    There are a fair few that would see women as goddesses those are the ones that stand beside us after is pulling them up with us even the power tripped men rank thee own sex causing havoc
    the power of equality

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  17. I expected justice and common sense from the legal system. Every lawyer I have spoken to has laughed when I said this. The psychologists are the most broken part of the system.

    Abuse happens behind closed doors. It is hard to prove. An anxious child is easy to prove. An anxious mother is easy to prove. But the court's answer is to punish the mother and her children, not the person responsible for causing the anxiety.

    If you are concerned or anxious because you know your ex is abusing your children, you will be labelled, "anxious", "overly protective" or told that you are poisoning your children against your ex because you are angry or vindictive and then you are ruled against. There is nothing you can say or do to prove these "experts" have got it wrong.

    Look at Luke Batty. He told the police that his father threatened to kill him with a knife. His mother told them that she was anxious about his father's behaviour. The father was convicted of child porn but it was still ok for Luke to left alone with this man. The police decided it was a movie his mother allowed him to watch that made Luke anxious - not the man who brutally beat the poor child to death.

    This is how the court thinks - if the mother is anxious there is something wrong with her, it is never the ex. Even though stats on domestic violence suggest otherwise.

    And I know its not just the fathers who abuse the children, and I know that there are many loving and devoted fathers who have had ex wives use the system against them, and I understand their pain and frustration. These experts should be forced to experience it before they are allowed to judge it.

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    1. Check the facts about what really happened with Luke Batty, not from the media, but the real facts. What pushed this idiot to kill his son. These are the type of cases where the death penalty should be brought back. However there are 2 sides to every story.

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  18. I wish I had read these comments 3 years ago when this slime Papaleo came to court and straight out lied about what had occurred in his counselling rooms. This individual is the most disgusting member of the Family Court Mafia. A little man who has a beef with Men when they don't suck up his arse and subscribe to his social re engineering view of life. If you dont play his game or spread your legs for him he will crucify you. Reporting him to the Psychology Registration Board will do nothing as he sits on the Board(something he openly lied about under OATH)
    A Gutless spineless worm. Actually that is an injustice to worms. They are of some use. He is a parasite. A blight on the human landscape

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  21. I'm a victim of Vincent Papaleo's conduct. I was a child. If you want Vincent Papaleo to be held accountable, don't hesitate to get in touch with me.

    @storiesinhealthcare@gmail.com

    For a database on reviews and resources that mention Vincent Papaleo, check out the link below.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hfFkwG6YO-rMJztxTrVSuSbXJM0Ux4VtJbJMQhSKpcc/edit?usp=sharing

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    1. My Children were too. Horrific

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